TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. Follow 16580. Reviews: 0. . I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. This is a really difficult fight to answer, because neither have shown any feats that the other wouldn’t theoretically be capable of. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. 0) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel. Kitsunw. Beyonder is an omnipotent being, and it was often described as another version of TOAA and was a representation of a Marvel writer same as TOAA. Juntai. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. The point of the whole story is that Beyonder explicitly turns himself into a human flesh form that is capable of experiencing all of the joys and sorrows that come. Both are in character. Juntai. 2. Respect Sam Howell / SCP-3812 (The SCP Foundation) Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation) TOAA (Marvel) Respect One Above All (Marvel, 616) The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. Beyonder is beyond the universe. ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Spectre probably. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. 1. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. Words that describe the idea that Beyonder is equal to TOAA. I dunno. TOAA, Prescence, Thanos w/HOTU, Classic Beyonder. toaa can do whatever he wants to do with beyonder. According to Marvel, a single celestial has. Strange, The Living Tribunal, Cosmic Abstracts (including ones that embody the concept of time, death, and infinity), Beyonder, Molecule Man, the omniverse, etc. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. LT is backed by TOAA, he was still shown to be less than a fly to the Beyonder. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. So my problem here is while debating with Beyonder fans. Not sure why this thread was even made Are you talking multiple pre retcon beyonders Or multiple current beyonders ( meaning the ones who killed TLT) Because this has already played out before Dr room stole their power but only with the help of molecule man and he's the one who held on to most ofbthe powerJul 2, 2016. 0. Well unless we scale all Buddha “feats” from real mythology. She-hulk and GoS Loki can both negate/resist the affect of Plot Manipulation user, she-hulk forced her writer to rewrite her story and GoS Loki was able. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. Team stomps 50% . I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. ago. TOAA mops the floor with these two. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. TOAA have failed. TOAA is above all. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. fangirl101. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Beyonder 39%. Hajun, if not Beyonder. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Far from Beyonder levels. #. I build with many hands. The Presence decided to wage war with TOAA and gathered an army to fight TOAA TOAA the Marvel god! not the celestial These are the members of the army: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Saints of Killers with. Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. 1. The Divine Order is where LT gets it's powers from. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. But If TOAA existed in Marvel when Pre-Beyonder was created then he isn't omnipotent. 4 years ago. Jayfournines. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. 1. The Beyonder and the One-Above-All both have a decent claim to being the most powerful character in the Marvel Universe. TOAA is a god for gods. ago. That authority to lt was given by toaa while beyonder didn't get that authority from toaa. Battles. Never leave. omnipotent means infinite power. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. Further to that point, the Pre ret Beyonder buy his own admission could be affected by the power of the M'kraan crystal. (Is a Aspect of true TOAA, probably the Strongest aspect, because he dreams everything in marvel except the HOI, and he dreamed the love and hate the weapons of TOBA, and TOAA,. 1 Answer. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. That's it. Both fighters understand to sum level that they each "become more powerful over time" but not the specifics (adapting to survive/zenkai boosts and transformations)The PR Beyonder was hands-down the most powerful antagonist Marvel ever produced, and the greatest multiverse-buster from any company. NULL_Terrorist. @pisswaterball The Beyond Realm is completely separate from Marvel so TOAA has no control. Comics . The glory (Dr. Living Tribunal cannot and has never once, not ever, enacted beyond universal destructive capabilities without the concent of TOAA. . Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. And to the other people bringing up TOAA, he is basically The. 2. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The End. Hulk wins, he keeps getting madder and stronger and than thunderclaps the one above all and TOAA only wishes he could negate that dreadful healing factor plus the Hulk can jump really high up in. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Which is power explicitly above the Beyonder. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Follow 4160. vs. This Beyonder had little respect for mortals and treated everything like a plaything. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Also Beyonder could do pretty much anything while Lord of Nightmare does not have any feats. Neither of. Like thanos becoming toaa with HOTU. DarkGodBane • 7 yr. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. Thanos wins. In Marvel he is just that, Above All. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. s. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). And such a thing as "above omnipotence" doesn't exist. Marvel is a pretty strong verse, but is there anyone who can beat it? Even with a VS as wide ranging as battling the whole Marvel-verse, it still helps to get some specifics nailed down in the OP. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. Boobster. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore through the fabric of reality due to the of the. Nope. 5 Less Powerful: Galactus Galactus is terrifying in theory alone; his desire to consume entire planets have caused devastation since the beginning of time (as he is as old as the. Spiderman Cosmic Comic 8. TOAA mops the floor with these two. -Everything in bleach. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. Created by Loony_Toony. Since it's Lt's job to guard the marvel omniverse, and the beyonder discovers the Marvel Universe today, would the LT have the power to stop the Classic Beyonder? As if the LT had never met the Classic. . Beyonder might have more impressive feats. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER | Special Attacks and Moves | Keanu Reeves in MARVEL Nick Coss 24. Yes, TOAA is the only true omnipotent being in Marvel - however the WPotC is now the creator, judge, jury, executioner and destroyer of the multiverse. Man-Thing Divine Creator's Staff 6. The Beyonder kicks both their asses though, not the current beyonder but the first one. Jul 30, 2018. There was a guy that could copy powers that defeated the LT. No one is that powerful. TOAA isn't omnipotent. I see through many eyes. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. The One Above All (Marvel Comics) + The Presence (DC Comics) CONDITIONS: Versions: Strongest known canon versions. The-One-Above-All is the supreme creator of all existence in the Marvel omniverse and is. TOAA remains TOAA and this object will still not. FAA could stalemate EGDB and (PR) Beyonder, 1v1. [deleted] • 8 yr. Beyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U! The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. Searching. Oldfather 18. Beyonder was later retconned apparently because Tom DeFalco didn't like Jim Shooter and in 1990 and everything that was attributed to god after that was TOAA. . @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said: Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Manhattan. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). the Beyonder was the supreme being of the Marvel Universe before the introduction of TOAA or Oblivion. LT has always been 2nd to TOAA he's the sole judge of the multiverse and right hand man or thing of TOAA Beyonder would lose. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. s. So, unless you think that Beyonder is >> TOAA and Presence, then your statement is absolute hyperbole and highly inaccurate. There is only one Beyonder and its capabilities are beyond anything any cosmic being on this list can even begin to contemplate. Odin's best gimmick is the ability to manipulate a magical field known as the Odin Force. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Spectre is backed by the Presence, he regularly gets owned by lesser beings. Poll The Scarlet King vs TOAA, Azathoth, Lucifer Morningstar, Empty Hand and Pre Retcon Beyonder (12 votes) Scarlet King 50% . And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. TOAA (not the Above All Others version) is NOT The Presence counterpart (Marvel-DC), this character is the equivalent to The Writer. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. 9 years ago. 0. m99. Wiki Points. I really can't be asked to go. beyonder Yep, lol. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. #1 Edited By Nighthunter. Pre Beyonder Had the power of the authors and could do literally anything he wanted. Beyonder would be stomped. Phoenixblue. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. Cactus. If he was defeated then he’s not the. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Knowledge of the other character/verse: No prior knowledge of each other. You cannot write a more powerful character than him without transforming from a character to a plot device. But the original cover art of the original Beyonder was toying with them making everyone believe he was inferior. In fact, Jack Kirby stated that The One Above All. The LT is likely around the angels level, he is the officially strongest creation of TOAA. . If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. One below all vs the beyonder. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC. Followers. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Beyonder is beyond the universe. 0. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. 3. Those guy would curbstomp Manhatten. Thus the beyonder was never greater than the marvel megaverse (all of the marvel company), nor was he greater than those who controlled him (his superiors aka TOAA). Nope. Beyonder Doom 14. Max Deen. 8 years ago lettsplay10Doom fucking killed them all and banned the word Beyonder from Marvel Comics and the fact that ban hasn't been kept is disappointing. He. HOTU is directly powered by TOAA (starlin/writer). 1%. Omnipotence is a fancy title at best. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters here. Yeah All Mighty Wins. It is implied he is God. Then things get more murky. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. if anything. I see no one equal to the gods of DC and Marvel: The Presence and The One Above All. Classic Beyonder is the most powerful being ever imagined by TOAA and drawn. Are there any scans that show toaa being superior to pre retcon beyonder?About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. Like this for instance in Secret Wars II beyonder was beyond the marvel multiverse, multiverse then later there was suddenly a omniverse all governed by TOAA, TOAA began with a multiverse and suddenly got a omniverse to play with, but do you see him get retcon no, but his power just grow exponentially, the same with LT in Secret Wars II he was. Other abstract entities, including Death and Eternity, have similarly confirmed that TOAA is Above all other beings in the cosmic hierarchy in the Multiverse. AFAIK this Spiderman recreated the universe. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Yeah All Mighty Wins. State of mind: Characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. As you stated King, there's really nothing we know of the Primal Monitor, so Beyonder wins by feats alone. That’s the pain of reality-warping fights. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER |. Neither of. PR Beyonder Stomps. . But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. 1. the spectre with the presence backing. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. Thought Robot without any effort. Kitsunw. . TOAA would be above Spawn, according to Marvel's hierarchy. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. No one is that powerful. 5 years ago. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. M. Aug 10, 2018Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the strongest here , he was basically the original TOAA before he got retconned , HOTU made Thanos second to TOAA & he was still manipulated by TOAA during the events of HOTUAnti-Monitor consistently gets knocked around by Kryptonians. Situation 1: Stalemate, because of the bizarre power levels. Beyonder: Sonuva. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. I nominate the presence and toaa for this. The-One-Above-All (also known as "Above All Others" or ''God'') is the overarching protagonist of the Marvel Universe. Master Chief, Guts, Captain America, Batman, Aragorn, Geralt, Levi and Black Noir vs. • 1 year ago. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. 493. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. You need to be logged in to post comments. Ok, this is what I thought. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. If this. ago. . 9 years ago. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. Hands down. . Neutral these battles dont make sense. I think the idea. Bugs would take down the Beyonder easily, he'd just rewrite reality so that the Beyonder was a turtle. Team The Daughter Of Mortis I'm Unsure about this one. 4. Her being outclassed "heavily" would require some actual analysis of their respective abilities (and weaknesses), this definitely doesn't seem to be a stomp at first glance, as even with my admittedly very limited knowledge of Umineko, I recall. The new retconned ones aren't the same powerwise at all. Yes. Meaning he became everything and everyone. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. There would be no fight. If beyonder has knowledge beforehand then it becomes a more pitched battle with the scarlet king holding the slight power advantage (High 1A - Low 1A) and is now on a time limit to kill beyonder before his seals are removed and killed himself. One Universe of a difference. Who) vs the one above all (marvel) Battle takes place in the black void of absolute nothingness between the glory’s dimensional space (which is infinite I know just for the sake of painting the picture) and the marvel Omniverse. Supergirl and Kal-L in COIE, SBP in SCW, etc. They are god of their own comics. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Beyonder - vs - The One-Above-All # 54. Manhattan's league. #9 Edited By AtPhantom. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. infinity - infinity is still fucking infinity. The Beyonder even confirmed that he was fully Omnipotent, being on-par with TOAA since he was able to defeat Molecule Man, who Eternity, Infinity and other Cosmic Abstract entities, including The Living Tribunal were frightened of and Molecule Man was specified to be the most powerful being in Marvel, but Molecule Man was absolutely terrified. itsirk. Jun 12, 2019 #2. As Beyonder is meant to be from Beyond the Marvel verse. The more powerful Thanos becomes, CA Superman will surpass it. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. ago. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. He’s supposed to be the number 2 behind. It was implied that Beyonder was nothing more than a "child-unit" of the beyonder's race. While the Living Tribunal is still the judge officially, the Phoenix Force can do everything the. The Presence stated that even he was shaped by “external” forces, whereas The One Above All is the one who shaped everything. @TheLegendary32 said:. "NO beyonder is not on TOaa level lol "Yes, I am afraid he is. It is embedded. We all know TOAA, but Enigma (Defenders:Beyond #5) and The Lost One (All Out Avengers #4) seem positioned to be more powerful than TOAA. Scenario: Through the miracle of TOAA, Living Tribunal summoned the most powerful army in the existence of Marvel to fight the entire race of Beyonders outside Marvel-verse. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. he is immensely powerful since he can wipe out anyone easily but still below TOAA. 9. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. SCP 3812. 193 4. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, along with all other supreme deities in comics (Presence, TOAA, MoM, Thanos with HOTU, etc. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. PR Beyonder Stomps. Or actually had the power of God or the Source in DC. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his. Khorne. Team Michael: Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy, Kismet, Rama Kushna, COIE Anti Monitor and Krona. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. LT is basically the will of TOAA, representing the editors and acts only when they have written themselves into a hole. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. he is on my list of people who need to never appear in the Battle Threads again. No one can defeat that. It was said that she is the spark of creation. 14 years ago. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. There is a reason for his name "the one above all". Only the Great Evil Beast is equal to The Presence. Impossibly powerful and unimaginably wise, the Living Trinity's power far outclasses beings like Thanos, Galactus, and the Celestials!. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Team The Daughter Of Mortis - vs - Team Beyonder #. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. This could also be used as. PRB = TOAA = The Presence, then we have the Lucifer/ Owen Reese category then everything else in Marvel and DC are just foddler. Stalemate. dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone. They can literally do whatever they want. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. Same with Beyonder and TOAA. I think Darwin will take it 7/10 since you removed the "flight" option of fight or flight. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Follow 77. Pre-Retcon is irrelevant (has been for decades) only current The Beyonder and members of his species count 1 versus 1 All try their hardest to win Round 1: Peak condition and trying hard Round 2: Augmentation (like sundipping for kryptonians) and trying hard. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. Situation 3:If all of them are bloodlusted, the battle ends in less than a minute with the last standing being TOAA and Presence. Definitely Beyonder. Beyonder is not omnipotent since he couldn't bring death back. PR Beyonder > TOAA and all His/Its Omniverse Beyonder may have been from outside the Marvel multiverse, however he is still a Marvel property and would come under the jurisdiction of Marvels supreme being. I'm thinking Thanos. . Situation 2:DC easily takes this, just because of the existence of characters like Lucifer, Superman Prime, Darkseid, Anti-Monitor and Manhattan. In general as the Supreme Beings. Forum Posts. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Beyonder was at TOAA level pre-retcon. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. Round 1: Beyonder Vs ZRound 2: Beyonder Vs Kami TenchiRound 3: Beyonder Vs Truth (FMA). Even if it logically and rationally. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind.